@ Paul_1. Good, if you have nothing to say it is best you say nothing. I note your misleading maths hasn't improved, e.g. quoting the fact that I said I had never used 'Brexiteer' as a derogatory instance of me using it! Most people on this forum have had genuine, heartfelt comments and convictions. Kippermanbikes comments on my oranges and grapes were interesting, and only time will tell whether we ultimately strike the deals that I hope, or we are unable and end up buying through third parties, middle-men, at higher prices as he fears. But he was articulate, clear and robust but polite in his argument, which always elicits a similar response. For your future reference, when (as you did) you say things like "One of the problems with Brexit that have already been identified by some & soon experienced by many..." implies that you believe those who 'voted to leave' (as you prefer) did not have the capacity to consider the pros and cons, sift the facts, and is frankly insulting. Hence you elicit a similar response. Do please ponder on this for your future contributions, if any.

@Dr Who? I accept, you used the derogatory term 'remoaner' twice & the derogatory term 'Brexiteer' once. However, from your comments to me & others, I think you're a troll, so I won't be reading/responding to any further comments from you. I will end by saying, sadly, because so many people were misled by the Leave campaign, we'll all be experiencing the negative effects of Brexit over the coming years, mark my words! Goodbye.

Kippermanbike, let's not prejudge the negotiations that are taking place, and indeed being offered, by the likes of Canada, USA (California included therein, so there are my oranges!), Japan, Australia etc. Once a free agent, of course we can make trade deals with other countries on a worldwide scale, they are actually queing up. Why wouldn't Egypt want to sell us grapes, rather see them wither on the vine while we buy elsewhere? Wouldn't make sense. And the question 'who would pay' is at the moment us, you and me, one of the two large net contributors to the EC (eight countries, Germany and UK being largest contributors , then France, Italy, Nederlands, Sweden, Denmark, Austia, Finland, in decending order and much smaller amounts, with all the rest of the 28 countries being overall recipients). Poland alone takes out nearly the whole of the UK contribution, with rich countries like Spain, Portugal and Luxembourg also receiving billions. Cameron went to the EC and asked for reform, but got nothing. Time for a change, or my children and grandchildren will end up still working just to fund this mess.