The scam the Government uses to rob your children

This scam is so obscure that top tax experts from leading accountancy bodies admitted they had never heard of it. And it is made even worse by the Revenue's refusal to do anything about it when it receives complaints.
Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs – the grandiosely relabelled taxman - has been under attack for its incompetent handling of some six million pay as you earn tax bills. Around 1.4m will have to fork out hundreds of pounds a month in extra tax while others will collect smaller refunds. Read Tax code error in your favour: Collect £££ to find out more details.
HMRC deserves every millilitre of vitriol thrown at it – and then some more.
For it also operates a scam that targets 16 year olds with savings in the bank or building society – teenagers more concerned with exams than examining Revenue rules and more interested in Facebook than HMRC's faceless wonders.
What I am going to describe is perfectly legal. But a scam is a practice so sharp that no normal person would ever discover it until they lose out . This scam on teenagers I am about to reveal is so obscure that top tax experts from leading accountancy bodies admitted they had never heard of it. And it is made even worse by the Revenue's refusal to do anything about it when it receives complaints.
Teenagers lose out
The scam hits those 16 year olds who receive interest on their savings tax free. In all probability, either they or their parents filled in form R85 (PDF) at the bank or building society. This allows the savings firm to pay interest without losing the 20% tax others have to pay. Basic rate taxpayers see every £100 of gross interest cut to £80 after tax. Anyone with low or no income can sign R85.
When you fill it in, you agree to inform the Revenue if your income goes into taxable territory. And you must fill in a new form every time you open a new account. The form applies to all ages – not just children and teens. HMRC has spent millions publicising this facility over the past decade.
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But read the adverts, the form and the help notes as much as you want and that is it. There is no indication that deep in the bowels of tax legislation, a small print clause automatically ends tax-free interest payments at 16.
This is the scam. While 16 year olds are doing what 16 year olds do, the amount of interest they earn has been cut by a fifth – unless they sign form R85 all over again. This would then last until they pass the personal allowance limit – currently £6,475.
The Revenue does not tell them to fill in a new form. Their bank or building society does not warn them. They are on their own.
Rip up your R85
The only reason I know is that it happened to both my children. We are still struggling with the Revenue's crazed bureaucracy to get the overpaid tax back for one of them via form R40. Oddly, the Revenue seems far slower in giving back than in fining those who transgress by even a minute on self-assessment deadline days.
Tax experts tell me they have never heard of this “rip up your R85” rule. And they think – like me – it's a disgrace to take money from youngsters in this way.
The Revenue press office states that everyone can find out about this end of R85 tax freedom because it is on their website. Yes, it is. I have seen it.
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But have you ever tried searching for anything on this site? Its internal search engine is a non-search engine, and who, outside the Revenue, imagines sixteen and seventeen year olds spending surfing time on the HMRC website. Get real. They don't. Nor does anyone else unless they really have to.
And – one for lovemoney.com'slosophers - why would and how could anyone search for something that they did not even know existed?
HMRC told me: "We rely on banks telling 16-year-olds that their R85 will be cancelled and inviting them to submit another form.” Sorry. This is total nonsense. The banks don't do it – and why should they have to deal with a nonsense rule anyway?
It's a scam because it unjustly makes money for HMRC, the Revenue is worse than a mobile phone call centre in India at offering refunds, and, worst of all, the victims are vulnerable people, still legally children.
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HMRC used to be a good department, but I agree - sack Dave Hartnett and the other top boffins who don't understand the basics of taxation and don't care to. Frankly my dears, they don't give a damn. They continue to make rules that cost more to police than scrap, and they let billions of our tax revenues go because they haven't got enough trained staff to collect them. I filled in my tax return well in time and sent it in, fully expecting all the tax I had paid (nearly £1200.00) back in good time. Did I get it back? No! They said that my tax return had an error and had to be sent back. It didn't because I actually worked for HMRC for 20 years in personal taxation and know fully well how to complete [b]and [/b]examine tax returns. However, it [i]got lost in the post...[/i]So I got another one sent out to me, filled it and sent it back. But this is still 'awaiting putting on the system' in the words of the incompetent I spoke to 3 weeks ago, so I am still waiting for my money back. However, for minors an R85 declaration does end at 16 and they are usually invited by their banks to fill in another one. I don't think HMRC can be blamed for kids paying no attention to their finances. I had once suggested we send trained tax officers to high schools to advise those about to finish their O Levels about the basics of tax. Needless to say, no one took the slightest notice of this suggestion. And I could not volunteer to educate kids for free because HMRC would consider that using my knowledge for personal gain, even if I wasn't paid a penny.
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LovelyLeeLoo - that would be 'regular' as in 'annual'? Many banks only send yearly statements to low-activity or inert accounts - can't really blame them. Finding out a year late is not really a solution to this; and yes, I would use the term 'scam' for any hidden t&c that takes money from any of my family.
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Sorry - total misuse of the word "scam". I've been perfectly aware that when my kids reached 16 we'd need to reregister them for gross interest, and in fact, when our eldest did so, Nationwide did indeed write to us and warn us. We popped into our local branch on the Saturday, filled in the R85, no tax, no problem. Even if your bank doesn't tell you, your regular statements will show you that they've started taking tax from the account. If you don't read your statements, whose fault is that?
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29 January 2011